it was a question, how did you guys make the transition from programming to community manager so, I was w and I were both both programmers and then like, I did community manager half half community management half programming that became like too hard to do those two different jobs they're really different, so then I just moved to community management full time and then we needed help so I asked to do to help out and then he did the same thing where he was like half programming half community management yeah and that was hard, so yeah just kind of made the switch it was kind of gradual though