sure how many developers work in satisfactory I think we're at something like around 30 35 or something at this point, and that's like and so developers include folks like, snoot and I who you know we do community management so we're not actively developing the game ourselves but you know that also goes for producers and stuff so if you want to talk about people who are just purely creating, in the game it's less than 30. how many programmers is it like six programs or seven programmers now something like that I think we're seven yeah can I join coffee stain I'm looking for a job as a dev you can go to coffeestainstudios.com jobs jobs and then you can send an open application where it's currently not looking for someone I think we or maybe we are I think we're looking for a programmer and an animator right now