in traditional Agile development there's always a product owner does a similar role exist in game development it can, it's kind of different how you see it I guess in our in for us I guess it's our like CEO or whatever who is the real product owner, for Studios, but you can also view it as like our producers the sort of product owners and and you know in in a way you'd always want like everyone to sort of have sense of product owner but like I don't know I don't think we have like a we don't have a person that's like designated you're the product owner, it's it's a collaborative thing where we all need to chip in and make sure that we're happy with it and different people different roles have different responsibilities, when it comes to the game so like Mark is our game director so he has a lot of say in like the general game design of the game, but and then we have our producers who are part of you know making sure that the quality of the game is a certain standard so like different roles have different responsibilities there's no like one product owner for us, but games definitely can have, and it I've certainly been a situation before we had that