okay yep palmer my friends say that satisfactory is the same factorial only in 3d, it's, how can I convince them that they're two different games I don't know, if that they can there's a refund policy on that steam they can play up to two hours and then refund it no questions ask just tell them to try the game if they like it they can keep it they don't refund I don't know how to convince them I would just say don't increment them I mean yeah I don't like convincing people in general of things so just have them try the game let them make up their own way yep I mean of course like two hours is not necessarily like a representative time of the game of the entire thing but it's like it's it's it's better it's better than it's better than anything you could tell them you know what I mean like let them just try it right maybe they just hate crafting like stuff maybe yeah, dyson spheres 3d factory satisfactory so much more I think satisfactory is very different to victoria yeah having played none of them I can confirm very good