what did I do to get into coffee-stained well I was studying game design in the Netherlands for a while and in my last year we did internships so at first I interned at Ubisoft and ma fuyi and then Natalie a really good friend of mine who I met in college was interning here and she was talking about how cool it was and how the people were awesome and that the work was cool and I figured out that I wasn't really too much for a triple-a development and I was looking for a different kind of workplace essentially so I was like okay and Natalie told me that they were looking for another designer so I applied as for an internship here and I got in and that's pretty much how how it all started so- I, my my spot here - Natalie most likely because honestly coffee-stained wasn't really on my radar before I played goat simulator and I sort of vaguely knew about them but I didn't really know pay attention I guess but my eyes were opened see it's it sort of looks like a triple